eh, Morgulis, civilization is in the eyes of the beholder, and we do not have ONE civilization, we have a dozen. i still have patients who proverbially - proverbially - swallow all pills at once, the whole box. or swallow none and tell me they take it, and when the levels are zero say that "your machine is broken". that is.. a civilization clash.

so please don't refer to "civilized". ou can say "civilized as I define it".

BTW please visit nnazino. we have a battle raging there. knowing Nino, i think she will unfriend me tonight. :-)